Soon as I thought we had wrapped up ‘Watch the Throne,’ I had two records, I had ‘Holy Grail’ and I had ‘Oceans.’ I played those records for Kanye and he was like, ‘NO! Those have to go on ‘Watch the Throne’!” So we spent four days arguing about those records, and I was explaining to him why it wasn’t right for this project. I had this whole idea of making this album called ‘Magna Carta Holy Grail’ — the name came later. Literally arguing for four days — not like fighting. Well, there was some pushing at one point, but not between us.